Magdalena61 hat geschrieben:"Moral" ohne Verpflichtung gegenüber einer Obrigkeit bzw. einem Gott funktioniert in der Regel nicht oder nicht lange.
Die Moral einer Gesellschaft basiert auf den ihr zugrunde liegenden Überzeugungen. Aus Erkenntnis und Überzeugung werden Normen und Werte extrahiert und an die Gegenwart/ an die Vorstellungen der Mächtigen angepasst.
Da sehe ich einen Widerspruch. Erst sagst du, es gibt eine von oben gesetzte Moral, dann sagst du, sie folge dem Zeitgeist.
Der Dialog ist interessant und wird hier dargestellt. Leider nur auf englisch, aber deutlich verständlich.
Frage aus dem Publikum: Wie kommen sie ohne eine göttliche Setzung zu einer absoluten Moral?
Antwort: Für absolute Moral gibt es viele schlechte Beispiele. Ich will gar keine absolute Moral, sondern eine, die durchdacht, nüchtern durchdiskutiert, und von vernünftigen Menschen - fast möchte ich sagen - "intelligent designet" wurde.
Ich habs mal mitgepinnt:
Considering that atheism cannot possibly have any sense of absolute morality, would there not then be an irrational leap of faith, which atheists themselves so harshly condemn, for an atheist to decide between right and wrong?
Absolute morality... the absolute morality, that a religious person might profess, would include what? Stoning people for adultery, death for apostasy, punishment for breaking the sabbath? These are all things which are religiously based absolute moralities.
I dont think I want an absolute morality.
I think I want a morality, that is thought out, reasoned, argued, discussed, and based upon - could almost say - Intelligent Design.
Can we not design our society, which has the sort of morality, that we want to live in? If you actually look at the moralities, that are accepted among modern people, among 21st century people: We dont believe in slavery any more, we believe in equality of women, we believe in being gentle, we believe in being kind to animals - these are all things, which are entirely recent - they have very little basis in biblical or koranic scripture. They are things, that have developed over historical time through a consensus of reasoning, sober discussion, argument, legal theory, political and moral philosophy. These do not come from religion. To the extend, that you could find the good bits in religious scriptures, you have to cherry-pick. You search your way through the bible or the koran, and you find the occasional verse, that is an acceptable profession of morality, you say: Look at that, that's religion! And you leave out all the horrible bits, and you say: Oh, we dont believe that anymore, we have grown out of that - Well of course we have grown out of it! We have grown out of it, because of secular moral philosophy and rational discussion.